talks about which states are least and most dependent on federal assistance. and later, create gilbert gives us a preview of wisconsin's presidential primary. ♪ host: good morning on capitol hill, the senate returns to work this week. the president's nominee for supreme court justice will meet with 11 senators. also on the senate agenda, a bill allowing civil litigation if international trade secrets are stolen at a bill that would provide additional funding for tighter security along the perimeter of airports. the house returns next week. it is monday morning on april 4.

it is one day before the wisconsin primary. one issue that has come up is the issue of superdelegates. our question -- is it unfair? we want you to join in on the conversation. is the line for republicans and (202) 748-8002 is the line for democrats. and if you are independent. you can also join the conversation on twitter or facebook. thank you for being here with us. this is a piece this morning today's new york times. he says, superdelegates whose votes are not found by the millions of individual voters make up a third of all

delegates. that is outrageous. let's take a look at the delegate total. right now, hillary clinton has 1243 pledged delegates but when you count in the superdelegates, she has 1700 delegates. she needs 2800 to secure the nomination. bernie sanders has 980 pledged delegates and 31 superdelegates. we will take your calls in a moment on whether you think that superdelegates are unfair. should point out that republicans do not have superdelegates. -- talked about the importance of voting tomorrow. there is ones: campaign that has created and a norma's of excitement and enthusiasm.

that is our campaign. ,nd what i am very proud of some of you may agree with me or you may not, but for the democratic party to succeed, we need a vibrancy and an energy and a level of grassroots activism that we do not have at this moment. and what that means is we need to bring in millions of young people who have never voted in their lives and i am proud that many of those young people are coming into our family. host: bernie sanders'. each is available on our website. tonight, we are covering ted cruz who will be in milwaukee and almost across the street will be donald trump. you can catch that on the c-span

network. -- also makes this point. the system is unjust because the notrdelegates are prohibited from declaring their loyalty before voting has ended. at the very least they should be barred from committing before voting is completed in their own states. good morning. caller: good morning. of havingdea a violation ofis democracy itself. democracy means the power of the people, by the people and for the people. how can superdelegates even be mentioned when it is a group of oligarchs? , they vote yourself

before the election. to this country because i believe in liberty. thank you so much. host: another fewer says, superdelegates have no business in the election process. it is unfair enough without them, for is needed now. linda is a democrat joining us from kentucky. good morning. caller: yes, my thought is that --nie sanders [indiscernible] people are not studying what this man is or what he does. we need to stop him. foraughter is not paying your daughter's college because my daughter paid for hers. host: are you a supporter for

hillary clinton or somebody else? caller: of course i am supporting hillary clinton. i wasn't even that induced -- that infused, but the more you read about bernie sanders, he wanted to break up the money of the rockefellers and give it to the government. untilan lived in a hut they pull them out and ran him in vermont. host: she says, takeaway superdelegates, what percent does hillary and bernie has? we did that for you at the top of the program. we broke down the pledged delegates and the superdelegates. you can see how the total continues to increase for hillary clinton. this does not take into account the upcoming primaries,

including wisconsin tomorrow or in the moment, bernie sanders is ahead. joining us now from massachusetts. good morning. caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. i am from the first congressional district and our representative pledged for hillary clinton before we even voted. essence of thehe editorial this morning from charles lowe, saying that the superdelegates at the very least, should reflect the vote totals in a particular state or congressional district. caller: i certainly agree with that. i wish they had waited until at least we had voted. thendly, i wish that delegates would reflect the state. in particular, with our district, bernie sanders won by

over 5000 votes. it would be nice if he was representing us -- for him to vote that way. host: thank you for weighing in. one of the editors at huffington post covers politics and his piece includes this -- why don't superdelegates vote to the will of voters? because that would not make them super. you can read the editorial on huffington post.com. karen sent this tweet saying that superdelegates are unfair because they reflect the machine and not the voters. lynn is on the democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. i am calling from a state that has not had the primary yet. yet all of the superdelegates have pledged for hillary clinton. i am so angry about this that, following the primary, i will

realign as an independent. host: who are you supporting in the primary? caller: bernie sanders. host: wisconsin is tomorrow and the next primary is new york on april 19. also, the wyoming caucus takes place between wisconsin and new york. also in rhode island and pennsylvania. jim is joining us from washington, good morning. caller: good morning, thank you for c-span. i am retired and i have been watching the caucuses throughout the states and i have watched both the republicans and democrats. in washington, we have an issue with our caucus that we had last week. by ae sanders won landslide, by 72.9% of the vote

and we have a state that has 101 delegates and bernie sanders has been awarded 25 of the delegates. both of our senators and our governor have decided to support hillary clinton. i find that very problematic. a lot of us appearing washington do because the has been a media blackout and a lot of us are really upset with the senators and governor right now. host: thank you for weighing in. a couple of tweets -- robert says, superdelegates are the closest thing to fraud that you can get. another tweet, superdelegates are unfair because they reflect the party machine. and then there is this saying that superdelegates vote for the liberal elites. ted cruz, over the weekend was competing in ted -- in the

dakotas. ted cruz's preferred candidate and he won in north dakota over the weekend, taking 18 of the 25 spots in the state. another show of organizational strength over donald trump. we are not sure how loyal they will be if the republican nation heads to a contested convention. those who are leaning towards ted cruz or are opposed to donald trump but the news is bad for donald trump. he needed those delegates to lifting above the threshold for the gop nomination this summer. you can read that online at politico.com. doug is joining us from ohio on the democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. but i was going to say is that these are parties. the two party

system is not a democracy. it is the upper echelon of the party that does want to have a big say in this. so if you want it to be more democratic for you, as an individual, to come part of the party. but also, it is unfair to say that just democrats are this way, the republicans are this way. you just read the story about the unbound delegates in north 200 delegatesut for thede are unbound republicans and also, anyone who is dropped out of the race or has suspended the race, those democrats become unbound also.

actually becomes a higher number. host: i understand your point. you are talking about pennsylvania, colorado and north dakota, the unbound delegates. but there is difference. those delegates were elected. the other democrats -- the other delegates are not elected. caller: but they are the elite of the party. 1972, thened back in democrats took a shellacking because it happened to be the first election that i voted in and i voted for a democrat back then. the is why they installed

superdelegates. and i think the republicans would like superdelegates. hat could potentially come up when the party meets in july. thank you for the call from ohio. another viewer says he democratic machine created the super delegates prevent grassroots from nominating candidates who could not be elected in the general election. we have an essay in the new york times on the op-ed page that says, today, we have an thatlishment structure degrades a single establishment vote with thousands of citizen votes. more from the campaign coverage over the weekend. hillary clinton was also in milwaukee, wi. here is more from that evening. >> sen. sanders: i agree with this, we want to help more young people get an affordable

education but we have different ideas about how to do that. under my plan you don't have to borrow a dime for public college. you will be able to refinance debt at a more affordable rate which will save millions of people thousands of dollars. and because my plan will work with state schools to control costs and provide incentives for greater public investments in --gher education, over time by contrast, my opponent is counting on governor walker and the legislature to come up with 300 million dollars in new funding for higher education, up front. that is ironic because that is how much governor walker wanted to cut last year. he ended up cutting $250 million. so if you're free college plan depends on a republican governor like governor walker, that will

take some major change of heart. i do believe in deathbed conversions. [laughter] >> so maybe it will come to pass? but i am not counting on that. i want you to get free tuition regardless of what you republican governor has to say about it. host: the portion of the event that we covered is part of the road to the white house coverage. bernie sanders and hillary clinton at the dinner. this is from slate.com. clinton,ine -- hillary i'm a loyal democrat, hint, hint. ders thisnders consi the best vessel to bring his message. but some say his aloofness from

any particular party is a plus. the subject of hillary clinton speech was her fidelity to the democratic party. that was from slate.com this morning. the wall street journal, donald trump faces a challenge. republicansconsin's could be donald trump's worst nightmares. network, a political plus two stage recall election since scott walker became governor five years ago. donald trump has a fermentable lead in the primary by appealing to people who are infrequent voters, but they are rarities in wisconsin. especially in the vote rich counties that ring milwaukee and formed the core of the state gop base. we will have reporters joining us.

let's go to wayne and pennsylvania. wayne, what do you think? caller: i think it is ridiculous . it should be illegal for what they're doing but who am i to say? i know one thing -- i want to go back to linda from kentucky. i don't know where she is getting her facts from about bernie sanders being a communist. they don't know what they're talking about. just because she wants ted cruz in the office or whatever her deal is, we have a right to who we like. so i'm not going to knock nobody. host: this is from the runningon times, against ebay for a candidate.

donald trump is confident that he will be the republican nominee. we carry all five. from theial we found wisconsin tribune -- the ruling class of the democratic party has reserved 800 democrats -- 800 delegates. 40% of the votes needed to win the nomination. roughly 40 million democrats eachvote for the rest, elected delegate represents 25,500 voters. single moms, union class members, the minorities. the minority class can nullify the vote of all the single moms and blacks and union members of wisconsin and not even need a photo id. this morning, they say they have too much.

josephine is joining us from new jersey. good morning. caller: good morning. let's begin with your question -- you pose it in a way to get an answer of anger. let me put it to you another way. who has gotten 2.5 million more votes? bernie sanders or hillary clinton? it is hillary clinton. so to use your question, the people who have been given more votes should vote for her. the other question which i --ught was interesting, said, you were involved with bernie sanders and he said yes. he said, how did you meet him? and he said i invited him to my house as we posed the question, would he run for president? he said he did not want to run. he refused to run.

and then he came back for a second time meeting with these people which we had not been privy to. we asked who the people work and he got so tongue-tied. but the bottom line is that this group of people told bernie sanders, you can run and we will support you but you can only run as a democrat. i hope you don't currently off. the other part, with the wisconsin fundraiser, he was asked, point blank, are you going to raise money for the down ticket? will you support those candidates? and he said positively no. he said, i have to be interested in raising money for me. come on, folks. i'm a be an independent but i'm not a fool. if you don't support the down ticket, how do you expect to be seen? host: thank you for the call.

the's take a look at republican delegate totals and again, we have unbound delegates. the gop does not have superdelegates. right now, donald trump is in the lead at 736. ted cruz at 463 and john kasich has 143.ne primary and john kasich made his appearance on abc's this week. >> you know that under the current fool of the republican national, you are hoping for a contested convention but under the current fool, you worked even eligible for the nomination because you haven't taken the majority of votes. so how do you attend to get that changed? >> first of all, i'm not going process.time on i asked of the best process

people. there are no rules governing the next convention. they have not been set. we will see what the rules committee decides to do. but i expect we will be gaining momentum, picking up delegates and heading into the convention. the two strong things i have going for me -- i beat hillary clinton in virtually every poll. and secondly, when they look at the records, the records of job growth and international foreign policy knowledge and experience, i believe a convention will look at somebody like me and they will believe i will be the nominee. we will have an open convention. this will be so much fun. kids will spend so much less than focusing on justin bieber and the kardashians and the elected president. host: that to your calls. robert is joining us from new jersey on the line for democrats.

we are asking you whether you think superdelegates are unfair. good morning. caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. i believe it is fair that both hillary clinton and bernie sanders -- they are both able to raise money for the democratic party, which hillary clinton ended up raising $18 million for her party for her ticket. whereas bernie sanders chose not to raise any money for the party. in doing that, bernie sanders and it up getting no support for any democrats. i thought it was an unwise move but now he is complaining about not having support. but that is his fault for not raising money for the party. democrat, heg as a has had unkind things to say over the years for the democratic party. and he chose not to raise money

for the party. it is no surprise that he is not going to have any superdelegates. he chose not to do any work for that. so that is where i stand on that. host: robert, thank you. ein as a drag -- it is the front page of the new york times. they point out that the late stage momentum is helping sanders that it could take an unpredictable turn. mr. sanders could beat hillary clinton in new york on april 19 and it could raise damaging questions about her candidacy and gain more momentum but he would still need to win a landslide in the upcoming primaries, including pennsylvania and california, to

overtake her in the total. that is from the front page of the new york times. on the top-of-the-line, -- on the republican line, tom is joining us. caller: how can this even be a question? it is not being rigged by the democratic party -- this is the hypocritical kind of thing that democrats are famous for. they republican -- they criticize republicans for the money but hiding behind all of this complaining about the money, they are rigging their own nomination. to the guy who said that bernie sanders doesn't deserve superdelegates, because he didn't raise money, now you have democrats who want to raise money for them. for the lady who said, he

doesn't deserve any because he didn't get the most votes that in that case, why don't we just basically primary on chicago, new york, atlanta and dallas. leave everybody else out? the democrats scream about something and then, when you get down to the details, they are incoherent. other people are catching on to this. with the emergence of trump, people are realizing that they have said this stuff before. but wait a minute, it doesn't make sense. i think people are figuring this stuff out. they're determining that the democrats are hypocrites. host: tom, thank you for the call. i nominates point --

myself to be a superduper delegate and my vote is worth 500 points -- that is how this works, right? we are talking about the superdelegates. there are 4765 delegates needed for nomination, and the number of delegates needed to win the democratic nomination is 2382. caller: thank you for accepting my call. no, i don't believe it is unfair. because the reason this was put into the democratic party was to keep people from nominating somebody who could never stand a chance of being elected. they were put in there for that reason. but let's go to the number of votes. votes cast.

hillary clinton has outdone everyone including bernie sanders. he can say all he wants to about giving this away and giving that away, but you have to be sensible. intend to elect someone who can run the country. it is not a donald trump and it is not a bernie sanders. thank you. host: thank you for that call from the bottom. think the, if you delegate game is twisted for the democrats, check out what happened to the rnc in 2012. this is from karen who said, what is the difference between the superdelegates for the democrats and the unbound delegates for the republicans? inside usa today, a look at third-party politics. john anderson challenged jimmy carter and ronald reagan and

then ross perot -- questioning whether or not a third-party contender could run in 2016 and what the rules are. also, a quick programming note. our student can contest has been completed. and we have a number of winners. this year's theme -- what issue would you like the candidates to discuss during the presidential campaign? among topics, jobs, the economy and the environment. we received nearly 3000 films from 6000 students. a most -- the most entrance that we have had. and 150e from 45 states of the documentaries have been selected as award-winning entries. the student film makers shared a cash prize totaling more than $100,000.

the grand prize winner, looking at the debt and deficit. we hope you check it out on c-span.org. the student can contest will be back again next year. so if you have not yet participated, i hope you check it out. jake is joining us from las vegas on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. i'm calling about the delicate process. i do believe that we should put whole process the together. was in preschool going in there, doing the registration and doing the whole thing. it was sort of a joke. first, i want to say, good morning, america.

number two, if we could wake up and realize the kind of profits --t are being disc wandered being squandered in front of us -- we have a trillion dollar debt which the government is sitting back and saying, we have to sweep this under the rug. a $10 an houru job and i don't want to hear anything about it. that is $6 million for every american citizen. and it has only been 10 years or 15 years since all of this went down and we have nothing. i am still driving on the same roads. if you think about the amount of money that is given in kickbacks, alone, let alone the tax refunds and loopholes, you are talking about 10 times more than that that could be spent and given to us directly. it is not like these people

sitting up in their clean uniforms, actually got anything done to deserve these sorts of profits. host: i will move on. we have a lot of people waiting to call in. jane has a tweet saying that superdelegates seem to short-circuit the democratic process. and edwin says, both parties have ways to-- protect their brands. what is the ruckus about? polls show right now that bernie sanders is slightly ahead and donald trump is behind ted cruz. in wisconsincent says that restrictions may apply and voter id rules will be in place on tuesday. that is from the newspaper in wisconsin. we covered a rally in wisconsin and we will air that later today

here on the c-span network. cruze are waking up -- ted spoke to 2000 supporters in green bay, wisconsin. a new ad was released by the sender campaign and here is what it looks like. ♪ >> can you feel it it's a revolution ♪ [applause] >> ♪ a revolution

i am bernie sanders and i approved this message. host: that was released overnight by the bernie sanders campaign. the issue is the superdelegates. patricia is on the republican line. a unfairt is there with the delegates and the superdelegates and the democrats and all the public officials, what they are doing to the people. the people are speaking but they are not listening. none of them are listening. they are just collecting money. that is all they're doing. collecting money. they are doing whatever they want to do. they don't all they're doing.

collecting money. they are doing whatever they want to do. they don't care what the people say. they don't care about people's votes. it is all about the delegates. we need to get back to what we used to have, where everybody voted and all of the votes were counted. and every single vote meant something. that is what we need to get back to. we need to get that to where people have an x amount of dollars to spend and they are not allowed to use their own money to do it. host: thank you for the call. another viewer says that all you need to know about the superdelegate system is why it was created in the first place. to deny the people. times, "fornew york a democratic party that prides itself on the brand of inclusion and fairness, the nominating process is anything but." makingr of callers are

reference to bernie sanders at the fundraising for his campaign versus other candidates. bloomberg news writes about that this morning. hillary clinton makes a ridge of at bernie sanders for not being a long-time member of the party and for not fundraising for other democrats. bernie sanders says those comments adjust that hillary clinton is getting nervous. the cash is divided up between hillary clinton's campaign for the white house and other democratic parties. bernie sanders has raised $43.5 million in february, according to the latest filings. some other headlines -- the trained aroma that took place outside of philadelphia, that is the story of the front page of the wall street journal -- the deadly accident highlights safety concerns. two amtrak authorities were killed.

--ng those on the train was who spoke with us yesterday. he was on that train but uninjured. 30 people were injured but not life-threatening injuries. was going from new york to savannah, georgia and it stopped in washington, d.c.. a massiveory today, leak reveals money rings of global leaders. these leaked documents have revealed an extensive network of offshore companies, including one tied to vladimir putin. it allows the wealthy to hide their assets from taxes and in some cases, to launder billions in cash. a german newspaper alleges this. good morning.

the superdelegates are being totally unfair. superdelegates were designed for the surface of supporting a candidate who is the most probable to win the general election in november. but bernie sanders beats hillary clinton for all of the polls in winning the general election. so the superdelegates should be switching to bernie sanders now. if hillary clinton is the nominee and the republicans put theohn kasich than republicans will win in november. i think the superdelegates need to be fair. host: jason, thank you for the call. on the republican line, we go to jim. caller: i have a question. do these people have the right to vote in a primary? host: to be clear on your question -- are you talking about superdelegates or elected

officials? do they vote in the primary? superdelegates? host: sure they do. caller: so what about the primary? superdelegates? host: sure they do. caller: so what about the law, one vote, one person. -primary? superdelegates? host: sure they do. caller: so what about the law, one vote, one person. they vote two times. host: the difference is that these are party rules, you are voting within the democratic party or the republican party. caller: but in a lot of states, it is one person, one vote. host: thank you for the call. this morning, "this morning, it really, really is the end of trump. really. " says -- we made too many wrong things. in the case of donald trump, journalists are so worried about their old mistake of

underestimating the man staying power that now they risk making the same mistake of missing his fall. why does this matter to anyone except pundits? first, trump's troubles threaten to go beyond wisconsin. he could lose big in other states including pennsylvania, california and new jersey. if this happens, it will be easier for the republican party bosses to deny him the nomination. that was from inside the washington post today. a -- viola, good morning. caller: good morning. and people are forgetting in the democratic party that barack obama ran against the same hillary clinton machinery and he won. he was unknown, more than bernie

sanders and he won. line is thatbottom it is a competitive race, neither hillary clinton door bernie sanders are closing the deal and it will be competitive until the end. but you say it is unfair is ridiculous. was it unfair in 2008? barack obama won and bernie sanders hasn't. annie saying superdelegates and brokered conventions will be the undoing of both parties. younger voters will accept their vote being ignored. and in the new york times, he says the system is unjust. in part, because those superdelegates are not prohibited from declaring their loyalty before voting has ended.

the chair of the republican national committee. >> are you confident donald trump could win a national election? >> sure. hillary clinton could be indicted. they are the ones who could have an open convention. >> is donald trump your strongest canada? >> i don't know. then't worry about who is strongest candidate. the fact is that we are prepared to support whoever the eventual nominee is. this is the biggest and best republican committee we have ever put together. host: again, that sunday program did air on the radio. this headline from the financial times -- a wisconsin win is not essential. we go today and next.

on next.to day caller: what i haven't heard too much of is the fact that these primaries -- i realize that with rand paul, he got shafted out of the primaries -- host: that was rule 40, if you didn't win eight states you couldn't have the nomination but the change that before the convention began in tampa. caller: i don't think it was just that. i know that in maine, there were all kinds of issues with ron and thening more votes the other guy winning the delegates. it was happening all over the place. beyond that, i think people need to realize that the democratic

and republican party, and their rules, as far as how they get people in the general election, has nothing to do with the constitution at all. it is almost as if the democrats and the republican parties have hijacked our government and the constitution. and they have their own rules in place. apparently the republicans have every couple of years switched the rules. they can do anything they want. and for the democrats, it is ridiculous. going forates are hillary clinton before they are receiving the primary election. so i think we need to realize that these primaries have nothing to do with thethat these nothing to do with the constitution. and how are country is supposed to operate. we have been hijacked.

they have cut out outsiders from getting in. host: that goes back to the earlier point about one vote, one person. the difference is that these are not state or national rules. the last point from charles blow. he concludes his essay with -- for a democratic party that prides itself on grand ideals of inclusion and fairness, the nominating process is anything but. you can read that online on the new york times.com. it is called the on democratic party. caller: good morning. [indiscernible] primaries -- he

called him a super dupe or delegate. it is not democracy. it is just an economy. we have to bring back the people. otherwise, this is not a democratic country. host: ok. are covering live tonight at 8:00 the campaign rally with ted cruz here on c-span and at the same time, we will bring you the speech by donald trump on the even of the wisconsin primary. check out the full schedule online at any time at c-span.org. the senate is back this week and the house is back next week. this morning we have a monday morning roundtable with paul kane from the washington post and kristina peterson to speak about what is next with congress and also, what are the issues

with the democratic leadership. jill gonzalez is joining us from wallet hub later to discuss which state is most and least dependent on federal support. you are listening and watching c-span. we are back in a moment, we hope you stay with us. ♪ >> campaign 2016 continues on tuesday with the wisconsin primary. live coverage begins tuesday night. tune in for complete election

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guest: it will be interesting to see if senators feel pressure after having spent time at home. there are senators who have come under heat from newspapers over the republican strategy. there are some republicans who have said they will meet with him but it is not clear if that indicates any weakening in their resolve not to confirm him. host: other republicans overnight said that she would not support his confirmation. guest: what you have seen so far is a public a large that supports the idea of hearings by about a to-one margin but the senators themselves, even though they have been wobbly on their position, they have yet to really feel it a lot of political pressure back home. and therefore, they have been

holding back. mitch mcconnell has rallied tim collinssides behind his position. host: do either of you see any scenario in which they could buckle before november? guest: it is hard, because the nature of the u.s. senators and the public at large -- they often thinks of senators as flip-flop errs who change positions. but on issues of importance like a supreme court nomination or declarations of war, it is hard to get a senator to flip his position once he has taken a strong position. is going to take a lot of political pressure from democrats and obama. guest: i think it would infuriate the conservative base if they were to shift the strategy now. that would be unlikely. the big question will be with

the lame duck. even though mitch mcconnell has said they would not nominate, if a democratic candidate was, then it will be a big question. -- says what staffers really think about donald trump, ted cruz and their staffers. when we asked if her public leader should find a loop leader, a third of republican senate aides said yes. aides saidcratic pelosi should go if democrats don't make significant gains in the elections. guest: there is always that pressure. we saw that with terry reed. -- with harry reid. but pelosi is a tremendous

fundraiser. i think that mitch mcconnell has a lot of unity behind him so i would be surprised to see him get the boot. , even mitch mcconnell though he has been around since 2007, he is new to this job. have to take a lot of losses to undermine his position. overall, we are living through a strange historical time where you have so many leaders in their same spot for such a long boehner have left, he had gone nearly a decade. there really is no time in history where you have such a long amount of time with the same people. there are always those that use a sports analogy, like a manager in baseball. it is opening day, i have to make a baseball reference.

managers have been there forever and ever and sometimes they're people who want to turn the page and get a fresh start. host: looking at what the senate will do this week, they have a heavy agenda. they have a bill on trade secrets, they have meetings with merrick garland and the house isn't in until next week. is this going to be how things will play out for the rest of the year before the election? kristina: they are going to have big chunks of time where the chambers are in recess and we are not going to see much action. that is a delibete strategy so that neither party has to deal with an embarrassment in congress. no bake showdowns we will probably see a stock -- a stopgap spending bill. because there is a bipartisan agreement in place, i think it will get resolved fairly quickly. host: here at the table, kristina peterson of the wall

street journal and paul kane from the washington post. we will get to your calls in just a minute or you can send us a tweet. or go find us on facebook. aimfforts in south dakota to drop party. explain what this is about. kristina: this is an adjusting measure in which is that of having a to public -- a democratic and republican primary, there would be one primary and when people go to vote, they wouldn't say whether they were a democrat or republican. this is to take the partisan labels out of politics in a little bit so people who start the measure say they were inspired by nebraska because it is a nonpartisan legislature. thiscs of this measure say is a ploy by democrats to get back into power. the battle going on

right now. host: i like the way you begin. you say the political parties have become invisible on the ballot. kristina: it would still label presidential candidates with a party label, not that that would be any surprise. but for all other offices, it would eliminate the party. host: paul ryan gave a significant speech if units ago and he never mentioned donald trump or ted cruz's name but referenced him in the tone of the campaign. donald trump traveled to paul ryan's hometown. paul ryan is never mentioning donald trump's name. we have that speech available online. paul: paul ryan has felt for more than two months now that they have been hounding him about his views on the presidential campaign.

there is a constant chatter of -- if they get to a deadlocked convention, would paul ryan become the white knight writing in to rescue? and so he has gotten so frustrated by the campaign that he felt he needed to do something, to say something, just to put a marker out there, to change the tone. it was a well-received speech. the group of interns who were there were very happy, cheering for him. the intellectual conservative movement appreciated the speech. but he left later that afternoon for a three-week recess for the house and since then, you have just had more donald trump and the entire tenure of the campaign has drifted further away from where speaker ryan wanted it to be. host: speaking about paul ryan

in the latest edition, when no means no. he says it is unlikely that anyone outside of those two candidates could get the nomination. kristina: i think there is a feeling that it would be undemocratic. to reject the candidate that voters have not -- to elect a candidate that voters have not cast ballots for. we have seen paul ryan say no, he didn't want to become speaker and then a series of events occurred and now, he is speaker paul ryan. so there is a sense that maybe we will see history repeat itself. host: there is one scenario on the table in which donald trump has the most delegates and the votes but he is 100-125 votes short. what happens then? paul: i think what happens on

the second ballot is that you will start to see efforts of coalition building. that is more likely than going immediately to a paul ryan-mitt romney person, you would see ted all right, you're number one, i am number two, we become a ticket, together, we might get 1237. let, they may be marco rubio, essentially a fourth-place winner in the race, unofficialand play, promises where marco will become attorney general or something like that. you start to see coalitions come together. i think you would have to get several ballots down and really see some near chaos on the floor before we get to the point where ryan, we knowaker

you are the guy in charge of the convention, but come on down. you are the next contestant. i do not think you will get there. we have done gavel-to-gavel coverage. this year could be the hot commodity. the ted cruz campaign has been very organized. their delegates are not officially bound, as well as other states with soft pledges. we expect that to be extremely organized, if it is contested, which it looks like it might be. pennsylvania, independent line with paul from the washington post. caller: good morning and thank you for c-span.

i've called my senator's office and explained that they should you --ave a hearing hearing. you are talking about a lame hearing, butwith a our like to say this and i think it could happen. if bernie or clinton wins the election and the senate goes back to the democrats, i would have eitherobama bernie or clinton nominated president obama for the job and see what they have to say about that. call your senators. it is just a matter of fairness. that is what it amounts to. that is a fairly unlikely

scenario but i think an interesting question is raised, which is if the democrats raise the white house, or in january, does a new democratic president nominate their own choice? that is what republican senators will be weighing. do they risk having a more liberal and younger nominee as president? about senatore marlow cook of kentucky and that senator and two nominees. online.es available in 1969 and 1970, a freshman republican from kentucky hired as his legislative aide for the , young mitchmittee

mcconnell fresh out of law school. mcconnell, the first national -- they both failed under a real assault from democrats and ended up back then writing a 30 page love review .rticle he was very upset at how they would have ethical questions and raise those questions and whether or not he should have withdrawn himself from the situation in various cases. mcconnell thought they were doing was just try and knock around the nominee from the republican president.

politically, we are to knock this death -- this guy down because we have a chance. 46 years later and mcconnell is contradicting himself in that he is being openly political and his reasons for holding back and waiting for the next president, hs their publicans would get the ,residency, truth be told mcconnell would at least say he is of front and honest about what his motivations are. last weekend, our issue spotlight, we dived into the show you-- archives to had to say about a nomination and joe biden back in 1992.

it is all on our website at c-span.org. st. louis, missouri, independent line. good morning. sandersi think bernie said they should have a litmus test. forink that is a good thing them to have. all the money people spent on these elections. host: thank you for the call. donald trump has not spend that money, but he got $2 billion in free television airtime. guest: i think he benefits from the perception that he cannot be bought. people are concerned about how much money is spent on the campaign and he has exuded an being able to be susceptible with that. that has resonated with voters.

sanders projects the same even though he is really doing well in fund-raising. he is going to be hit with a lot of advertisements in missouri as the senate race there between roy and jason is now moving from one of the races we were not paying attention to to a higher profile race and the viewers in st. louis will get plenty of well-financed advertisements from people he is not necessarily a fan of. -- : each: they definitely think there is a path to the white house for them. at the delegate map, difficult for trump, even if he was the majority of delegates. there are all these questions and i think each of the candidates believe they could prevail if it becomes a chaotic

surface, which it well could be. host: usa today has a piece about independent, third-party candidates, and they cannot find in thek perry voted primary and if he did, he opens himself up to the possibility of running as a third-party candidate during how likely do you think that scenario is? i cannot say for certain. there was once a time when rick perry seemed to be a perfectly constructed candidate, governor of a huge state, several terms, economic growth through the roof of texas. key thing in finding a third-party candidate is time. they are running out of time to be able to get on the ballot in places like my home state of pennsylvania. you have to spend a lot of money and time organizing to get signatures. in pennsylvania, it is more than one million signatures root wired to get on the ballot.

you're going to have to do something like that, a lot of money and a lot of organization. that is why people talk about former mayor bloomberg of new york. party power has gotten weaker, a piece by susan page. danny is joining us from south carolina, independent line. would you support a third-party candidate? it i wases, i do disappointed when mr. trump initially stated he would support the republican party. i do not believe any of the republican candidates displaying , most of us anger americans are feeling because of the inactions of congress. i think the representatives and republicans said if they got control of the house, they would make changes.

they did not. they said if they got control of the senate, they would make great changes, and they didn't. now they say if you give us control of the white house, we will make significant changes. i do not believe them anymore. they are liars. i have been republican all my life. i'm now an independent and i'm .oing with trump just like obama when he was running, there was nothing he could have said the democrats would do to turn their loyalty away from him. with mr. clinton, there is nothing he would have done that could have turned his loyal people away from him. now the republicans for the first time ever, we have a candidate who said they will make changes. i believe him. there is about nothing mr. trump could say or do that could turn his loyal people away from him.

i am just fed up with the republican party, who lives continually to me. you are one of the reasons why donald trump remains the republican front-runner. thank you for your call. guest: i think it danny gets at inoint that republicans congress know is out there, which is that they control both chambers but they have not been to achieve a lot of republican gains because they do not have a super majority in the senate and the dem that controls the white house, what they have been able to accomplish is relatively limited. it underlines part of why the strategy on us of angkor is selling in. have modest gains legislatively to shift the balance of the power, it seems unforgivable too many republican voters. i think danny symbolized a lifelong lesson everybody should learn when in college.

never overpromise and under deliver. a lot of conservatives out there on capitol hill, republicans have overpromised and under delivered for five years. leadership probably never gave the right expectation setting for when they took the house of representatives. they tried to set the expectation properly in little over a year ago when they took the senate also, but at that point, momentum was so far ahead catchwere never able to up to where voters wanted them to be. host: we're talking with paul kane of the washington post and thetina peterson of washington journal. the senate returns today, the house next week, and you mentioned -- i want to share and ad -- an ad.

a democratic super pac now in new hampshire. >> still a. >> donald trump wants a delay so he can choose the nominee next year. senator kelly is right there to help. refusing to consider any nominee, ignoring the constitution. the action'sll appalling, wrong, and disappointing. kelly, ignoring the constitution and not doing her job. that is a democratic super pac. you can see that in ohio and pennsylvania and new hampshire peerless cons and, a lot of primaries in which democrats hope to we gain some -- regain some of the senate seats. guest: i am told they really like that add to it we were talking about earlier, the public at large generally thinks

yes, there should be hearings and they should consider these things, but the intensity level among voters in where they and howhe issue important is it, it has not quite reached that point democrats needed to be. linking him to the supreme court, the idea that he could be the guy that fills the supreme court vacancy and tips the balance of the court, that is the f for that turns it into a critical issue for voters. i think you will see similar ad playing out a new hampshire and pennsylvania were pat is of for reelection. all of the in ohio, races, you will see similar ad like that. whether states can go either way, including florida, marco rubio now not running for . second term

rob portman of ohio, pat in pennsylvania, ron johnson in wisconsin, they're all republican seats. a tough year for republicans. they are defending 24 seats in the senate. they are on the defensive. message republicans say to do their job, it is very simple on the supreme court. republicans have shown it hurts and they do not like to be told by constituents that they are not doing their jobs. we see grassley and i love it -- objecting for that. reelection, but not considered one of the most fundable republicans. something back to really resonate, even if it will not shift the strategy. simplicity is something that has made republicans uncomfortable. host: the only democratic seat is the senatessup democratic leader leaving at the end of the year.

let's get back to the phone calls. democrats line. good morning. caller: thank you for taking the call. i wonder what the guests on your panel thought about people bringing guns to the republican .ational convention this year att: they are not allowed the republican national convention, which is probably a good thing. guest: that will not be permitted. host: have you ever called guns at a convention? guest: no. to be clear, you're not allowed to bring in any outside liquid. if i tried to carry the coffee mug into the convention, the secret service would stop me. you can only by the secret service authorized coffee. the idea that they were ever -- they were considering it, it was a polls of that somebody wanted. but it was never going to fly with the secret service.

when you cannot bring in your own coffee -- >> the coffee mug is ok. anyhow, let's go back to phone calls. new york, independent line, good morning. good morning. want to make two points. i am an independent. i do not really like this 140 years of a two-party system. one of the things that guest bat,ht up right off the mitch mcconnell, you're talking about him, 45, 50 years, what is he doing in politics for 40 or 50 years? i say that is a problem right there. number two, my second point, the delegate system. you have these people lined up around the block to vote for these people, and then these rules that the media sits right about thee rules delegates and superdelegates and

this and that. why should these people even bother to vote? if you get the most votes, you should be in. the ray the parties -- the way the parties prefer it the whole system, you might as well call it the communist already of america and i do not understand how people just sit back and let it happen and it is all excepted as, well that is the role of the party. it is ridiculous. people are going out to vote and their vote will not even count in the long run. thanks for the call. our first hour come we talked about a piece -- let me share with you what he wrote in the new york times this morning. he said superdelegates, whose votes are not bound by the millions of individual voters, make up nearly one third of all delegates. that, on its face, is outrageous. guest: it is an interesting situation in states like colorado where michael has

endorsed hillary clinton in the presidential race, but colorado's caucuses went for bernie sanders. you sometimes have situations where some of the delegates are supporting someone different than their state has gone four. i can see why voters might be upset about that. delegates tend to be party insiders more often than your typical voter. there is a little bit of an unusual dynamic but states choose often how you set this up. it is not the federal government dictating how this is all run. host: democrats line, good morning. caller: good morning. one is on the subject matter. donald trump, i know him. he is a friend of mine. i know what will happen. in thell miss treat him republican convention and he will take all of his people and

it will guarantee a democratic victory. my second point is for your guest. 2012, hethews back in trashed hillary clinton every day. i sat and watched every day, to the point where the media people, they would call him a misogynist. 2012. running for the house of representatives in maryland and he gets hillary on the phone and -- i sorry, on the air -- he is a phony and he don't give people a chance to respond. we have had 47 male presidents. it is about time to give a woman a chance. he cannot screw it up any worse than half of our male presidents have appeared i would like for your guests to comment on the chris matthews point. host: thank you for the call.

guest: that is the maryland congressional district, the vacated by chris van hollen, running in a very competitive primary to suggest to see barbara, longest-serving female senator i believe of all time. this has turned into a very competitive race. kathleen matthews, former broadcaster, local news, abc executive with marriott, in a real competitive primary right now. some of her components -- ofonents have made an issue whether or not harbaugh has impacted his own coverage. the reality is he really has not touched on the race at all. i think he has tried to steer clear of it. the wire. down to you also have a state senator who is very active in the race.

an entrepreneur, david, whose advertisements have just been blanking the airwaves here while a lot of the attention has gone to the senate race. primary hasce, that been fascinating to watch and will tell us a bit about the and on theood democratic side, do they want an like david,inessman or are they going with a more establishment figure? profile ofteresting david in the metro section and also available online. paul, you have a piece. can donald trump become so unpopular that democrats take back the house? i never envisioned writing this story this cycle. november, i spent a lot of time over at the demo that a congressional campaign committee unveiling what they had, what they called the majority project.

then, they were probably thinking more 2020 or 2022 and grow their ranks to be in a position to help impact redistricting and getting better district for themselves so they can hold the majority then. they now look at donald trump and see his numbers, especially , highery groups educated folks, suburban voters, and latino voters. they suddenly are seeing a dozen districts, maybe 20, something online that could be in play in november, if trump is the nominee, they are scrambling around right now to put together , finally candidates in the districts and also raise the money and both of those are still big challenges, but i come from the philadelphia suburbs. that donaldan area trump is doing well in right now

and it is an area that republicans hold three different seats, at least two of which, in a really bad wave, could flip to the democrats. those are the sort of seats they need to actually come back and pick up the 30 that would put them in the majority. host: we covered donald trump's rally in wisconsin. peterson writing about that with this headline. turbulent presidential campaign reaches paul ryan store. he is in a tough place because he is the chairman of the convention. speaker ryan has to navigate wanting to condemn some of , you know, contentious proposals, such as banning all muslims. he came out and condemned him for not disavowing the kkk quickly enough. been willing to say, i would not support donald trump if you were the nominee.

he treads a fine line between condemning some of his specific proposals, and saying if he is the gop nominee, we will support him. that is the dynamic he has to maneuver within as trump comes to wisconsin. looks like he is facing some headwinds. wisconsin voters are very informed. there is a high turnout rate and it looks like senator cruz may do well tomorrow there. host: we are the one network that will carry all the speeches by the candidates in their entirety or we will do so tomorrow evening. the primary getting underway at 9:00 eastern time here on c-span and also on c-span radio, 6:00 for those of you on the west coast. .ristina peterson and paul kane jenny from cincinnati, good morning. dell -- democrats line. caller: i would like to thank you all for taking my call and

for c-span. i want to put this out to the guests. i have not heard nobody talk about trump. whoe wins as president, will he get to work with him in the house and the senate? everybody. off guest: i think there are republicans who think trump would be someone to work with. he is a businessman and knows how to cut deals. they may be nervous about having -- him having the nuclear codes, but working with him on the things like the budget. they say, we will read the article the deal if he wins and they view someone who could the a negotiated. there is a perception out there, i think democrats think the united states would be mocked globally and are very apprehensive about the prospect of a trump residency. lola, good morning,

independent line. hillary ishink questionable and so is sanders. john kasich, i would not vote for him for president. trump is a little over-the-top the only one i can see is ted cruz. is really one who looks you in the face and talks to you and tell you the truth. the rest of them, i do not trust any of them, except ted cruz. host: thanks for the call. what is happening among senate republicans, including senator graham of south carolina? after super tuesday when marco rubio's candidacy came online support and he dropped out on march 15, there became a sense of, the only one left that we could get behind is ted cruz. who has spent a little more than and allars as senator

of those days, he has been ,ntagonizing his own colleagues getting with mitch mcconnell and his own home state colleague of .exas he has bad relationships with about 98% of his own colleagues. stock in a spot in which they really see ted cruz as the viable certainly, they actually have to cheer for ted cruz to start winning states to deny trump that majority of delegates. it is an awkward dance. lindsey graham is the only one so far who came out of the establishment lane. michael he is a longtime friend of ted cruz, who endorsed him. but otherwise, we were looking rushe if there would be a of senate republicans coming to ted cruz's aid.

it has not happened. you have seen jeb bush endorse. scott walker endorsed. hill,t up there on the senate republicans are sitting back and waiting. i do not think they want to go on cruise control right now. this is the headline -- wisconsin could reshape the gop race. beverly from little rock, arkansas. good morning. independent line. i read an article that 33 states had committed delegates to hillary before the primaries. and that they had committed based on the money, the hillary super pac's. pac, two hillary super different super pac's. people have called in, why are we voting, if we have 33 states already committed to her? what is it about?

i think beverly is referring to superdelegates and that is a on the democratic side and voters do feel some questions around the issue. it is a strange setting coming in for republicans. they are going to have their own delegates.nd delicate there are now according to be several hundred delegates on the republican side who are going to function as free agents, similar superdelegatesic . fors very strange thing

people like beverly. transforms the convention, which are traditionally a lot of political spectacle, to actual news events where there is real suspense about the outcome. host: this is the headline this morning about the fall in the ," sanderset journal cash keeps flowing. and westto richard florida. good morning. caller: good morning good thank you for c-span. is 73, or mother

wanted the most important thing that happened in her life, and the answer surprised her. her mother said the most important thing in her life was getting the vote. thinking, you have a woman getting position to become president of the united states. i think every woman in this country is going to take a look at it," for hillary clinton. the right toad vote in 1920. guest: it is interesting that this election has not focused on historic nature of hillary clinton's candidacy. the chaos in the republican field has overshadowed that, and we can see more of a focus on the concept of having a first woman president in the general election. that is something that clinton will focus on, given donald

trump's unpopularity with female voters in light of his recent , thents on abortion dispute between his campaign manager and a female reporter and other comments that have left him with high negatives among female voters. host: here is one of the latest ads from the hillary clinton campaign in new york. >> i have spent my entire it all life looking for ways to easily arts, to help people have a chance to get ahead. to find ways for each child to live a to his or her god-given potential. i am fighting for all americans, not just some. for the struggling, the striving and the successful. , imatter what you look like am fighting for you. i am fighting for everyone who has ever been knocked down but refused to be knocked out. i will fight until every girl in

america knows she can grow to be anything she wants, even president of the united states. ♪ the latest from the clinton campaign, leading up to the new york primary. let's go to peggy, salt lake city utah. -- city, utah. caller: good morning. the chris matthews interview with hillary, and he was hard on her as well. the donald trump is just a big bully. guest: let it go back to your point about the lack of a historic nature. we have not seen a lot of focus on being the first femal president, the possibility of that.

flash forward to the fall were we actually have three presidential debates, and as it looks now it will be hillary clinton stealing their office it -- opposite either donald trump or ted cruz. i think that is the moment you will really see the issues become very basic. it is the symbolism of seeing the first woman standing there, and if it is donald trump, and his negative ratings are as high as they are now, it could be brutal for republicans. that: it is worth noting donald trump's popularity is a long republican primary voters, a narrow segment of them. even though it seems like she has practically unstoppable momentum, though wisconsin may stop that, it is going to be different when you look at a much broader section of the population voted is full. host: one of our viewers seeing

the political process toda ay makes the smoke-filled back rooms of chicago seem appealing. how thewe hear about media and politicians set the standards for every subject we have today. but the danger that you have set have given us $19 trillion in debt, the lotus to be invaded and have our jobs shipped overseas. these are the standards that you guys get up there in question everybody up. the premise of your question should the newer standards have written this country -- ruined this country. click you just got out of high school. what could you possibly know? if you do with hundred miles an hour in a 55 mile an hour zone,

if you break the law, should you be charged? take your point and turned candidacy orr this a question about this candidate. caller: you all are wrong. you asked mr. tro by hypothetical. if it was against the law, should the woman be punished. if you were against the law command you break any law, you e punished. you have freedom of choice. a return to a different point he made about the $19 trillion in debt, which we

thought might be a big topic in federal election, but has not been a focal point among most of the republican candidates. some of their proposals would add to the debt and deficit in ims prized that theme has not played a lot more given the focus on the economy. that is overshadowed things like esther trump's region abortion -- whichwithout have been much more contentious. host: next caller. caller: good morning. fromlemanl maryland so my thunder. but he is absolutely right. the news media this country has caused the problem. they jump in bed with all the politicians. those know they are supposed to do. they are supposed to keep an eye

on the speed will, they are supposed for the public what is going on. they don't do that. they more oro the less that is why people are irritated and ticked off. they are against donald trump because donald trump cannot be controlled. and they want control. control of money and control of power. that is what it has always been about. they would be able to control all the politicians. look at the democratic something hillary clinton, corrupt, nobody trusts her. she is a liar. bernie sanders, he is not a democrat, is a communist. hisent to law school on honeymoon. most people go to bermuda. [laughter] i have never been to

bermuda. back to brian's point, first of all christina is not just out of high school and is one of the more accomplished reporters covering the capital. are getting it from both sides. the donald trump supporters think that we hate donald trump and that is why all these stories about him appear. there are countless columns from others, and president obama delivered a speech last monday night that blamed the media for the rise of because we were not doing enough to criticize him. are in both sides of this, getting crunched here. i think what is happening is we're reflecting a very divided country, and you were sitting a very divisive candidate, and there is a lot of, in times like this, they want to blame the media. we are reflective of the message that this country is utterly

divided and it is not necessarily our fault. host: donald trump will be in milwaukee this evening, we are his remarks here on c-span. we have maryland and philadelphia coverage here. independent line, good morning. the media used to be for the people. they need is not for people anymore. they don't work for the people, they work for big business and big business used to be a timeline you had small stations, and they would tell people the things that were happening in the country. gonell the small towns are

, big business all of this now. they control the media. the people are not getting the truth. some of these people that call in, they are to be rich or stupid. that is all i have to say. host: steve had this on our twitter page, saying what network has trump not blamed for distorting his comments? trump.4/7, 365 guest: there is a deep frustration and sense of anger against the establishment among voters. we see that both trained of politicians in washington and also against the media. that is part of what donald trump bernie sanders have tapped into solano with their campaigns , positioning themselves as outsiders.

that is really would allow them to resonate with people frustrated with washington and with the media. trump resultedof from the red wings increased appetite for hate and intolerance. one of the things that has happened in terms of the media is that it has become much more nationalized in terms of the coverage of these state-by-state, region by region primaries. you do see a different effect. there used to be a time 20 or 30 years ago where everybody relied on the local reporter from the detroit free press and the detroit news in the local tv to cover the michigan primary and a couple national reporters might show up. now if you go to these states, these regions, and you go to the speeches that donald trump or ted cruz or hillary clinton gift, 95% of the media is the

national media. the local media has been gutted in this terrible trend that has nationalized the media. it does sometimes create a little bit of an echo effect and fitch the coverage reflects national trend, national issues , not local ones. caller: good morning, i wanted called in about the republican and democratic party. everybody is concentrating on what trump is saying, what hillary is saying while the government just takes our country down the drain. whatople actually knew tort reform is doing for people, taking away our rights, and we are on other things, and before you know it the average person does not have any rights.

treat people to court because if you take them to court they can reverse it on you if you lose. what can the little man to? do? in texas you cannot take anybody in any position to court. i think that is bad. that is bad for america. host: that was an issue that camp early in this process. guest: i have not heard a ton of discussion about that. republican sometimes say that as part of their proposal to replace the affordable care act and that would bring down the cost. but that has not been dominating the debate in this cycle. host: final points, senator marco rubio back on capitol hill after withdrawing from the race. will he have much impact in the final months of his one term in the senate? >> probably not.

his bigger impact should be on the presidential race. we started off by talking about the agenda on capitol hill is kind of light. none of those issues particularly lineup in his wheelhouse. i think his bigger, broader republicann the party, the presidential contest. does he weigh in, does he get behind ted cruz, does he hold back? what his own future becomes. does he want to run for president in 2020, will he run for governor? host: and what is the story you are working on? guest: i am looking at the states that do not have binding contest in the presidential primary cycle and looking at how the presidential campaigns are working to line up support in those states. guest: i am working on a supreme court story for later this week about how conservatives,

including those who had been nominated and gone through contentious nomination processes are actually supporting judge garland. there is a clutch of them out there who themselves have gone through the regular on capitol hill in the senate judiciary committee. there are a bunch of them that are now supportive of judge garland and an ideological consistency in which they feel the process treated them unfairly and they want to see a treat him fairly. reporters of our cover congress for their respective publications. to both of you, have a terrific week, thank you for being with us. so which states are the most and

least dependent of the federal government? that is our topic as we continue this morning. coml gonzalez from wallethub. will be joining us. and then later, craig gilbert of the milwaukee journal sentinel. washington journal continues on this monday morning, april 4. ♪ >> this week, on c-span. the supreme court cases that shoot our history come to life with the c-span history landmark

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states that are most dependent at least dependent on the federal government. first of all, the top five states that are most literal federally depended include mississippi, new mexico, alabama, louisiana and tennessee. states that are released and, california, kansas, new jersey, connecticut and delaware. what does this tell us? guest: it is not a surly good or too dependent on the federal government, or least dependent on the federal government. it just means different things. louisiana, abama, lot of their federal funding goes to their state revenue. about 40% of their state revenue is from federal funding. at the bottom of the list, delaware, california, they are about 20%. typically across the board we see a third of state federal -- state revenue coming

from federal funding. they are doing about three dollars to eight dollars back in the top one hour two. in california, new jersey, they are getting about $.20 back. is it used for retirement programs, medicare, medicaid? guest: a little bit of both. when you talk about the dollars you are getting back of a that is where transfer payments are going to be loved in -- lumped in. a lot of this is just mechanical. you look at the state with a lower population of low income households, you will have less federal dollars flowing in. secondly, in one of it is -- a

lot of it is cap driven. and finally, we will see this so in this era, it has to do with how popular and influential your senator is a good example of that would be senator from west virginia lobbied hard for decades. it comes into the dependency issue. look at these states, these are pretty solid republican state, and those states that are least dependent or california, connecticut, delaware, new jersey, considered pretty democratic blue states. guest: that is what we saw was the most interesting here. when you're looking at straight numbers, very quantitative, no qualitative questions, it was

numbers from the census, the irs , despite popular political belief, we saw that blue states were far less dependent on the federal government. was 50thrage ranking to 33rd. red states on average were about 17. host: if you're not getting the amount of federal dollars you need from the federal government, what states are doing the best job of trying to match or supplement what they are not getting from washington? seeing a lot of those lesser dependent states are really making up for that. we have to be careful here because you cannot necessarily draw an exact time to tax rates or tax code. the higher the tax rate, the less dependent you are on the federal government. especiallyrily, because so many federal dollars are matched now in terms of state revenue. so that is not an argument we can drop it in one this has to be correlated back to gdp.

we saw 63% correlation between wealthier states to the less dependent on the fina federal government. a lot of them are income tax-free states. , closerlorida, nevada to the bottom of the list. host: our conversation with jill gonzalez, a graduate of ohio state university with wallethub .com, . our lines are open. you can also send us a tweet. join in on the conversation on her facebook page. why should the american people be interested and concerned about this? guest: we said earlier that it is not necessarily good or bad how dependent your state is right now. but moving forward, he could definitely be an issue, especially with how high our

national debt is growing. when we are looking at that, it is hard to believe and imagine that the states have to be leaning so much on the federal government, until when? how long can it be providing 50% of an entire states revenue across multiple states? that is why people should be concerned here, looking inward and looking how they can revive the private sector within their states, and how we can transition a lot of these military skill sets back to the private sector. abouti want to ask you the issues as in fulton campaign, because for ohio governor john kasich, has been under criticism for accepting federal obamacare dollars. i also want to ask you about wallethub.com/ill gonzale m.

what is the premise? guest: we looked at finances, tax prep, return on investment, and so many of our decisions come back to personal finance especially when you're dealing with politics. that is why we got involved in this. i got involved coming up with methodology metrics, and analyzing the results. host: and with regard to ohio governor john kasich, and how this is playing out? guest: i think he has obviously been talking a lot about how he did take those dollars, and also talking about how we balance the budget. definitely going over that a lot, during his speeches in the campaign trail. but i think the two are not mutually exclusive. i think that it helped him here in terms of a country that has such a growing national debt problem.

i do not think he can be criticized too much for working the two together. host: have you looked into how states can become less federally funded? guest: yes. private sector, reviving that within states. the states were getting federal funding for military bases, etc., keeping them up. when people are no longer listed, we see them drop off . they are collecting things that could be turned back into going back to the workforce are a lot people who are asked military are very process oriented, very organized. people cankill set build upon if we create these programs in certain states. it gets them back into the workforce and get less federal funding needed. phone.illiams is on the

we lost his call earlier. can you go back to the states that are getting federal fewer dollars? guest: a lot of eyes may be drawn to places like arizona, florida. florida has no income tax. they are known for an older population. you might think that a lot of federal dollars are going there for security and medicare. not so the case. 30 arizona is a 13. aerosonic be taking a cue from florida about how to balance this out so they are not so dependent on federal dollars. host: caller: i am a longtime republican and i have watched this country be run into the ground and i think the problem is socialism, including

corporations that stifle the thing that's generated income from medieval times. s.at is unions or trade guild at one time the republican party had unions on the platform. they took them off because the corporatists who are actually socialists have or influence in the trade unions where the money is generated. host: frame that into question. caller: where did the government ever get to the point where it dictates whether or not people can breed? might deal little bit out of your wheelhouse. guest: unions of a big issue.

-- have been a big issue. one of the reasons why both parties have left that off the table is it's not really the hot issue generating votes. there are like you who are concerned with it. when we have an election where so much of the spot light is on one person to begin with, they have to attack these issues that are going to get them more media time. that's why we've seen it taken off the platform. hit byirginia has been some of the reductions in military spending. our next colors from virginia. -- caller is from virginia. wondering if the new law that was passed by congress to take in high-tech immigrants from other countries and they have to sign an agreement at two thirds of what american grad students would be

do the states get any credit for taking these people in and giving them jobs once they get here? host: good question. do they get federal assistance? that'si do believe so why we're talking about the private sector. states that go after these types of programs. right and that's one of the things that has been in the focus here. reinvigorating our private sector with all of these states, getting more federal funding, but not matching dollars. host: this is from another viewer. if that part of your analysis in terms of what operations were able to get? guest: it would just be the

state capitals. taxpayers,federal for every dollar they get to the federal government, how much of a getting back for it? in north dakota, people are getting eight dollars back every one dollar they give to the federal government. host: we are going to florida. caller: thank you for c-span. i have a comment. i live in florida and you spoke about how florida was 30th in taking money from the government. and i wasars old waiting for social security disability to kick in. meantime, the only insurance i could get was cobra,

which was $637 a month. the governor did not expand medicaid. i would have had no insurance. you do not get insurance for two years. i am not happy with the fact that the governor did not expand medicaid. i am 61. ont's the reason i am going disability. i want to thank you for c-span. host: any response? guest: that's where we get into the issue. said that florida was 30th, it's less dependent on the federal government. we have to say where is the return on investment? as a taxpayer, what are you getting? medicaid,alk about that's what it's going to differ on the state of. host: let me go back to your criteria. the return on taxes

paid to the federal government, federal funding as a percentage of state revenue, the share of federal jobs. as thei think as far first, that's where we talk about for each dollar given, how much are you getting back? wassecond point you made talking about the state revenue and how much of that comes from federal funding itself. 20 to 50%.range at finally, the federal share of jobs in each one of the state the highest is in hawaii. right after that was maryland and then virginia. 1% bottom of the list we got for a lot of states. we are talking about the states that are most and least government.ederal

caller: good morning. i just have a short comment. host: go ahead, please. feelr: the reason i certain states have more federal beds is because it seems to the states with high percentage of immigrants. they need the services. is that an issue? guest: not necessarily. the close correlation we could draw wasn't to immigration, not original ties. we do see some pins and the couple of hotspots. it comes down to gdp per capita, how the the states are. cannot.ow we see it

low income states are near the top the list printed mississippi, alabama, tennessee, louisiana. toward the bottom you see the wealthier states that can generate their own state revenue and not have to lean on the federal government as much. host: let me share with you a tweet. how do you break that? guest: mississippi is a prime example. there were not a lot of states that follow specific. --s is how you write it break it and become less dependent. it comes down to mechanics as far as prison population. they are reinvigorating the private sector. that's one way. in terms of low income and

things like that, that something that will be a study in mechanical issues. federal funding will always be flowing in for that. host: bob is next in oregon. i thinkgood morning shouldederal employee have to take a mandatory iq test along with the governor's and the president. i don't think you should have people turning down medicare dollars in turning -- hurting people in the state. important that we have smart leaders and not ideological leaning leaders. i think intelligence is the most important part of the job. that's just all i've got to say. host: thanks very much for the call. let's go to dan in ohio. .ood morning caller

caller: the democratic states repeatedly voted in democratic mayors, talking about detroit and chicago. the rest of the nation is hailing them out. -- bailing them out. our present has increased federal spending so much. are a nonworking person, you are collecting your utilities, internet, you get your food. what's the incentive for these people to go to work? we need less federal spending. handoutmore jobs unless s. these democratic city where they immigrants butin not allowing them to be

prosecuted. let me take both of these questions and put them in the form of a question. federals been a rise in dollars flowing from washington it to the states. we see that with the aca. more states will get initial money to make sure they implemented. what happens when this starts to run dry? guest: that's where we come into this issue of how dependent do you want to be? i think some good points were made. we see that more red states are dependent. i think that to rain this in, that's why it's better to be less dependent and be a better self-sustaining state. is puty way to do that

more jobs in the private sector. bring in high-tech emigrants and make sure they are working as well. they are contributing to our economy at the end of the day. host: this is from another viewer did you look into that as well? guest: we did not. caller: good morning. could you please explain to the american public about what is a welfare state? get? ch money do they i think they give up quarter and get back $.75. can you explain what is a welfare state and how much money do they give the government and how much money do they get act? -- back? guest: states that have a very high population of low income households, people living below

the poverty line that need federal dollars to help them get food. they may not have access to healthy food. how states are getting, you see a big increase in federal dollars to many of the states. it's not being matched. let's take a look at that clock.org. debt clock.org. as you look at states most and least federally dependent, what your thoughts? guest: i think this is right where we were trying to say. states at thethe

top of the list. that's an average. they are not necessarily doubling that. we are seeing a lot more being given to certain taxpayers. states need to lean on the federal government to allow more. we have so much debt to repay. that's going to and eventually. this is going to be much more of an issue. our viewers and listeners are sending its. let's go to paul in indianapolis. good morning. caller: good morning. i just have a quick comment the comment is i think you're going to have some distortion on this. some southern states with small populations are the best place for large military installations

and they have large numbers of soldiers in them because of the weather. they are always going to have more federal jobs. a base isdiers in going to be. host: that was taken into the equation. in the that's included rate of dependency. that's always going to be the case because the better weather, the more likely you are to have one of these installations with thousands of soldiers. the question i have is i don't what's givenactly to the states. are we talking about total government spending in the states? guest: we are talking about the former. how much of a state budget is made up from federal dollars?

the share of federal jobs in each state, that includes a lot of these large military bases. that return on investment in terms of your federal dollars taking all of this and thinking what is this doing for our police department? what is this doing for our school system or health care? here looking at that return on investment for your state and local taxes. joe gonzalez is an analyst with wallet hub.com. thank you very much for being with us. we will go back to wisconsin.

there is a big primary tomorrow. all eyes are on the badger state. craig gilbert will be joined us from milwaukee. he is a reporter for the walkie journal sentinel. we are back in a moment. >> the supreme court cases that shaped our history come to life with the series "landmark cases." >> this is a story about presidential power during times of war. themes before the court of conditions the president can do that may not the expressly laid out in the constitution.

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journal central -- sensible. thank you very much for being with us. guest: nice to be with you. host: what's going to happen tomorrow? guest: i think a lot of people are going to vote. there is a widespread occupation -- expectation that bernie sanders and ted cruz are going to win the primaries. the polling has been pretty competitive. i don't know the week and assumed we know the outcome of these two primaries. the democratic race is competitive. wisconsin has turned out to be a tough state for donald trump. it's been a tough environment for him. whatever you have three candidates in the race and john you have an x factor, strategic arguments being made to voters openly on television

about the impact of their vote, there is some volatility in there. polling,some of the donald trump has narrowed a 10 point lead. guest: i don't think we can assume any kind of a trend. these are different. they are using different methods on different days. i'm not sure we know the trend is. the paul has been done very consistently over the last years. a 10 point margin between ted cruz and donald trump. that poll was taken before a lot of the crazy events of last week. i'm not sure we know yet what the impact of the national andies about donald trump

the terrible week he had and events on the ground here in wisconsin from scott walker's endorsement of ted cruz to all the dynamics on conservative talk radio. it's going to be a lot of fun to watch the returns roll in. piece, you begin making this point. 5e primary was held on april in 1960. it's the most important primary since kennedy. explain. guest: the wisconsin primary has a history. it is 104 years old as we speak. ago, it was just one of a handful of primaries. it had a prominence that it doesn't have today.

have lingered for so long. 1960, john kennedy beat hubert humphrey. it was a big deal because humphrey was the sender from soda next door. -- minnesota next door. it was a big steppingstone for kennedy. he would on notably to win the west virginia primary. that propelled him toward the nomination. wisconsin in good part on the strength of the catholic vote in wisconsin. it was a big deal would he be humphrey who was thought to be the favorite. i have heard over the years from democrats in wisconsin how divisive that primary was and years later the scars are still felt in lots of ways within the

democratic great. you are either a kennedy democrat or a humphrey democrat. for you do have a line to call if you are in wisconsin. the primary is tomorrow. demographicsin the of wisconsin, beginning in the southern part where milwaukee is? are the demographics different as you move further north? guest: you've got to maps depending on which party you are talking about. geographicwo big basis for the democrats in wisconsin. one is no walkie and one is madison. there are a lot of rural democrats in wisconsin. they are very competitive. your parts of northern and

western wisconsin where those voters really play. in fox a big al ground valley and green bay. it's kind of a area. it's important for both parties. the interesting thing about the map on the democratic side in the debate is you have two candidates who represent bastions in the. bernie sanders is very much a madison democrat. he appeals to young voters. he appeals to liberals. i'm not limiting his appeal, but it's particularly strong with those groups. you will see him do really well in madison tomorrow. people voted very high rates.

over the years, that has become such a powerful engine of democratic votes in wisconsin elections. it's very difficult for republicans to overcome the margins the democrats run up in madison. in milwaukee, you have most of the african-american population. hillary clinton is sort of a milwaukee democrat. she does a little bit at her with moderate democrats and we have more of those in milwaukee. as we turn to the republican map, it gets interesting. we did a story a few weeks ago where we look that polling and found a massive divide within the republican party, a geographic divide over donald trump. inwas very unpopular

southeastern wisconsin, some very republican suburbs. these are the reddest places in wisconsin. a lot of college-educated and , it's a veryvoters polarized area. it's become a very conservative area. this is the area that tends to decide republican primaries because of the size of the voting and people vote at high rates. that's where mitt romney won. john mccain won in 2008. scott walker won his primary in 2010. pointstrump was 40 underwater in that part of the state. talk radio plays a big role.

donald trump is doing much better in the northern half of wisconsin where even if he loses, he can win some congressional districts and pick up delegates there. it plays more to his strengths. senator sanders and senator cruz are pushing for victory. you mentioned talk radio. we checked in with an interview of week ago with donald trump. yount to share you -- with a portion. >> i did not see that coming. easterking a nap on sunday and my producer says are you sitting down? trump, 8:35 a.m. tomorrow. somebody on his staff is going to realize i've and a critic of him for months.

a cartoonled him version of a presidential candidate. there's no way he will call in. that was surprised. -- a surprise. nobody thought it was good to let them know that it's different. >> what does that tell you about his staff? that -- i think the campaign infrastructure is lacking. i got a call from a national figure afterward and said that was very revealing when you if that was very revealing. it tells us something about the campaign, that it doesn't have the infrastructure does the blocking and tackling.

host: this is somebody that you know well. your reaction? guest: it is interesting. i think charlie makes a good point in one of the cost of not howling -- having endorsements in a state like wisconsin where you are competing? it may have less to do with the lack of endorsements and whatever impact that has on voters. case where if donald trump had a lot of local supporters who were plugged in to republican politics in wisconsin, he would've been better briefed. he did run into a buzz saw that day. he scheduled a bunch of interviews with talk radio. he did three.

he reached out to more than three. he was done with the. these are great radio stations. they are very adversarial interviews. you could season he did not really know what he was walking into. it's an interesting set of factors behind the anti-trump movement on talk radio. it's ideological in a lot of ways. these are very conservative people. donald trump is not a true conservative to them. there is a reaction against trump that is more on a stylistic level. there is politics.

donald trump helped knock scott walker out of the race and attacked him during the campaign. this is where it kind of gets personal. walker. for years and years, democrats have been arguing that scott economic legacy in wisconsin is a disaster. the state has had lower than average job growth under walker, echoing therump arguments of democrats, telling wisconsin republicans their thee is in this -- mess, state has a huge job creation and weight problem. a lot ofkind of rubbed conservatives and republicans the wrong way, certainly talk show hosts, republican activists. that is part of the picture in wisconsin. you would not expect donald

trump to understand all of that because it is a distinctive clinical culture here, and wisconsin has been through a unique history in the last six years. host: including two recalls against her governor. greg gilbert knows all about wisconsin. he writes for a local newspaper and also blogs. let's get to your phone calls. lisa in shreveport, louisiana. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. mr. gilbert, i voted for donald trump here in louisiana, and he did not get the delegates that he was supposed to be awarded. i wonder how in the world can they take my vote away like that , and are they going to do the same thing in wisconsin? here is how the delegate allocation works on the republican side. 42 delegates. to the statewide

winner. where take all. -- winner take all. then there are three republican national committee members who are delegates. all three of those are considered pledged to the statewide winner tomorrow in wisconsin. then the other 24 are allocated by congressional district. there are eight congressional districts, each is worth three delegates. winner take all within those districts. if you win a conditional district -- congressional district, you get those. that is why whatever happens at the state level, you could see donald trump, if he does not win 1,tewide, still picking up 2, or three districts in the western part of the state. even a scenario where john kasich could pick up a congressional district, one or two. he seems to be doing better

around dane county. then after that, you go through a process of selecting the actual delegates. one quirk in wisconsin, when it comes to how the delegates are bound by the results, tomorrow, they wereme states -- bound after the first. in wisconsin, you are bound to the candidate until you are released, or until that candidate. a 30% threshold on any ballot. so the rules are a little different. under some scenarios, the delegates in wisconsin would be bound longer than in some other states. apple review, wisconsin, this is the headline ." "the post-crescent

stephanie sullivan sent us this tweet. guest: that is a big unknown. this is the first presidential primary and the first presidential election of any kind where this law has been in effect. it was held up in the court for a long time. it has been used in some elections, but not like this at the presidential level. they are talking about turnouts. state election officials have projected a turnout of 40% of voting age adults. that being the most in 36 years, i believe, in wisconsin, combining the democratic and republican turnout. so that places some stress on the voting system. wisconsin has early voting, which is all over. they had a two week in person early voting project.

but we don't know exactly what the impact will be. there is a lot of controversy about this, concerns about whether certain groups of people that do not have id will be able to vote. questions.arate two one is the impact on individuals who may see obstacles to voting would not have, if the law were not in place. secondarily, the impact on these two pieces. it is very hard to know. it's hard to imagine having a dramatic impact on the outcome of the race. on the democratic side, the delegate allocation is much different from the republican side, proportional. so you will not have big differences in delegate counts between bernie sanders and hillary clinton under almost any scenario.

when you are awarded proportionately, it's hard to build up a big margin to matter how well you are doing. on the republican side, most of the extent of the law think it will have a bigger impact on students, urban voters. those tend to be more democratic constituencies than republican constituencies. if we are talking about a fall election, we would be having a different conversation about the effects of the lunar id law, but you have to look at it within each party. hard to know if it will have a dramatic effect on either side. host: merrimack, new hampshire. jeff on the independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have a comment, not a question. i started calling in right before you put in the ad earlier and the possibilities of her losing her seat in new

hampshire. what i see the problems with the democrats, i have a 25-year-old daughter, and a lot of your friends, they are typical bernie and nothing people. a lot of the people will not vote for hillary. they do not like her or trust her. a lot of people in this state came out to vote for bernie and donald trump. another point to that, as a union construction worker in , a lot of the workers in the boston area, you will see a lot of donald trump stickers on pickup trucks. in the outhouses, you will see a lot of writings on the wall about donald trump. if the republicans jump on board and do not play games at the convention, there is a good chance they will get a lot of the crossover vote and the bernie or nobody voters. host: thank you. it's interesting.

i have looked at some of these things in the poland's. one thing i have looked at is whether there is any overlap between bernie sanders and donald trump voters. both are antiestablishment candidates, discussion about the fact that both are critics of the trade agreements we have been making with other countries. in wisconsin, at least, there is not much overlap between their support. poll, only 6% of registered voters they pulled -- olled have a favorable view of donald trump and bernie sanders. it makes sense, when you think of the other issues that they take different positions on. they appeal to different profiles as candidates. then the caller also raise the question of what will happen to

trump voters, if their candidate is not win the nomination, what will happen to sanders voters, he doesn't win the democratic nomination. there is some evidence that they will be disaffected. that does not mean that they will sit at home, in large numbers. think we are talking about crossing over in a fall election, but it does mean there will need to be some fence mending, as there was in 2008, when there was a prolonged fight between hillary clinton and barack obama in their democratic primary. in the polling done last week in wisconsin, 70% of bernie supporters --ry only about 70% said flatly that they would support hillary clinton in a fall election against donald trump. supporters of kasich

on the republican side, a much larger number of them said they would be sitting out a trump election. then you have a certain number of trump supporters who were not express a preference for cruz for kasich in a general election against hillary clinton. of a tough,result bitter primary, especially on the republican side. also some strains on the democratic side. host: since 2000, while it is a purple state, wisconsin has gone for democrats by a narrow margin. the president winning 53% of general election voters. 2008, 50 6%. senator kerry with 50% in 2004. 2000, al gore with 48%.

dick is in de soto, wisconsin. where is that? caller: writing on the border of the mississippi river. -- right on the border of the mississippi river. cross two miles, you will head into minnesota. i am on the wisconsin side. i have been involved in the tourism business in orlando for the past 22 years. wisconsin. moved to went wayof living down, paychecks were way up, medical was the best that i have seen in my life.

i am 65 years of age. my wife worked at disney world for all years. -- 12 years. andshe is disabled, disability here in wisconsin is the best in any state i have seen. i am on medicare and medicaid, and it is also the best i have seen. but what i'm worried about, who is the delegate that will about mytell the truth current disability and social security tax. host: let me jump in, if i might, but because we have just a few minutes. who is your candidate? caller: bernie sanders. [inaudible]

he is going to deregulate marijuana, sales and distribution. distribution, if we work take that away from the cartels, and give those taxes to the united states government, it would be about $19 trillion. host: thank you for the call. on the issue of medical --ijuana and equalization legalization in some cases. is that an issue resonating in wisconsin? issueswe have a lot of that have had a bigger place in the political debate and that one, so maybe not as much as in other states, but i did hear the caller talk about social security. it's been interesting, in this campaign we have had in wisconsin, donald trump has supportbout paul ryan's

for cutting back on entitlement reforms, entitlement cuts. separating himself in the someone notield as going after social security, accusing the rest of the party hacking social security and medicare, which donald trump says would be an election disaster. but another way in which he is going against conservative politics in the state, and the local twist because of paul ryan in those debates. in milwaukee. also on the democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. i know a lot of folks talked about the support that sanders has in the african-american community. i saw something recently where they said he had a 10% lead amongst the black vote here in wisconsin.

i don't know what it would be this week, that was last week. i know for myself, a lot of folks in the african-american community that support sanders, particularly between 30 and 45 -- not thee you sure it is lead for secretary sanders? clinton?ry caller: i know, that is what surprised me. not trustould anything you hear about a poll about african-american voters. this is less than 10% of the population, so unless they are you will notling, have a sample size large enough to be trustful. poll, market -- marquette they looked at the nonwhite population, and hillary clinton was leading by double digits

over bernie sanders. the best guide to that on election day will be to look at the voting returns on the north side of milwaukee, where the african-american population is most concentrated. hillary clinton to carry african-american voters in wisconsin. that is one reason why you will see her do much better in milwaukee than madison. host: on our facebook page, we getting your comments on the issue of superdelegates, whether it is fair or unfair. we encourage you to weigh in. dueling rallies taking place at 7:00 local time, 8:00 eastern. ted cruz and donald trump one day before the wisconsin primary. live coverage of both of those events on c-span and c-span2. surely from new orleans, democrat line. caller: good morning, i want to

say one thing. this man speaks as if he knows all about the blood people. i bet he does not know one black person personally. i am a black older woman. i am voting for bernie sanders. if not, i will vote for hillary clinton. the first lady from louisiana called in and asked this man about issues regarding republicans. , will her vote to be stolen, like it was in louisiana, where donald trump won, but they gave the most delegates to cruz. it and didl around not answer the question. she is not stupid. just because she is from louisiana does not make her stupid. she asked you a direct question.

she should have gotten the , not when you thought, but should've gotten the answer. host: thank you for the call. not answer the question because i did not know what happened in louisiana. i know more about the delegate process in wisconsin and i can address that, but i honestly cannot answer what happened in louisiana to the delegates. ads inne of the latest wisconsin, the current governor with an 80% approval rating among wisconsin republican. he is now supporting ted cruz. >> jobs, freedom, security. that is what is at stake, and that is why i'm supporting ted cruz for president. he will challenge the status quo , just like we have done in wisconsin. ted has a real plan to restore

jobs and growth opportunity. me insday, please join supporting ted cruz as the only conservative who can be hillary clinton and reignite america's promise. greg gilbert, how did that endorsement, about? guest: governor walker had been coy for a long time. when he dropped out of the race, he urged his fellow republicans to coalesce behind an alternative to donald trump, which is not really happen. , sole stayed in the race that didn't really happen. which isrio he feared, a lot of other candidate fragmenting the vote against donald trump, came to pass. he has not been that outspoken against donald trump. everyone understands he is not a donald trump supporter, but he has held his fire.

even when donald trump came into the state, firing away at scott walker and his record as governor, he has been pretty muted in his response. that is just his style when it comes to this. before the endorsement was made, you saw some other republicans in wisconsin -- you saw the talk radio people making the tactical and strategic decision to get behind ted cruz, not because they were longtime supporters. there was not really a tremendous amount of institutional report for ted cruz in the state. in fact, after scott walker got out of the race, some of his potential supporters went to jeb bush, a larger number went to marco rubio, who also ended up out of the race. the first oras not second or maybe even third choice of these republicans, but they were in the process of deciding that is going to stop

donald trump in wisconsin. you have seen over a period x and days more republicans lining up behind ted cruz, some of them going to kasich, but more going to cruz. --ally, governor walker somewhat late in the process, but not too late to matter -- making his announcement and endorsing ted cruz, appropriately enough, on talk radio. host: our guest is greg gilbert "the real lucky -- the milwaukee journal sentinel." journal"onsin state has this headline. we cover that about last night on c-span. atkinson, goodt morning.

i was: good morning, calling about the voter id that is supposed to be in effect. i did not hear your guest talk about -- i had heard on pbs that there is a provision, if the voters do not have the correct photo id tomorrow, they can fill if they mightnd bring in their identification by friday, they can still vote. host: thank you. is that the case, crank gilbert -- craig gilbert? guest: i'm not sure the answer to that question. the law is somewhat new. there is a provisional ballot but i'm not sure how that works in wisconsin. will take a look at that after the show. host: from york yesterday on the sunday shows, what is a cheddar wall? i was talking to a

political activist the other day about the race, and they were wondering whether, as they put it, donald trump was hitting a cheddar wall in wisconsin. when they were referring to was this phenomenon which we have been talking about, which is a combination of the political class, party establishment, republican politicians, talk radio, conservative activists who form a cohesive core in wisconsin, particularly in southeastern wisconsin. they have been through the wars over scott walker. the kind of provided ted cruz with this ready-made infrastructure, for ted cruz and he stopped trump movement. wheresin is a place voters on both sides are very mobilized and very engaged.

it is kind of a different dynamic, and i think it has made wisconsin -- as presented trump 's opponents with a better opportunity than they may have had in other states. he will find out tomorrow whether, in fact, donald trump did hit a cheddar wall or not. host: chris in the eagle creek, and wisconsin. good morning. my question is regarding an issue that is pretty big in the state of wisconsin which i have not heard much from with any of the candidates. that means, the native american treaty rights, and how that affects the northern economy with the allocation of 50% of our resources to the native also in cities such as milwaukee and green bay,

where the territories have not -- ceded.d at andian tribes can buy claim that as indian reservation land. this has a great impact on our state economy. it has in the northern part of the state, but it also affects the southern part of the state. ofbling has brought a lot troubles to our state of the only candidate i have heard that has done anything on this is donald trump, when he took on with hern tribes gaming rights and said it was discriminatory. i was wondering if you had any insight into that? not a lot i can tell you about that. this is an issue with a long history in wisconsin which has generally come into play in state and local politics.

the casino issues are very , anded and controversial are a big deal in certain parts of the state. i have not heard it come up in the presidential race at all. rental previous -- reince priebus ready for a contested const? knowledge that it is a much more plausible scenario that it was a month or two ago. he is talking more openly about it now. and his friend, paul ryan, both from wisconsin, would be sharing the duties of chairing the republican convention. last time i spoke to reince, which was about a week or two ago, they told me they had not worked out the details of what that means.

when i talk to paul ryan about it, he says he does not understand exactly what that means. there is a ceremonial aspect to phases thathink, the convention which will be important, process of the rules committee adopting new rules for the convention, which there has been discussion and controversy about already. , as a body,egates adopting those rules. ibus andbination of pre paul ryan will be residing over the process. we don't know how ceremonial his part will be. in his role is further complicated by the speculation that is rising up again this week about whether a deadlocked convention may turn to him as a potential nominee.

it has the potential to be a pretty remarkable melodrama in cleveland in july. only oneealize it's scenario, but if that were to happen, would that surprise you, or would you expect the party to turn to the speaker if they go through multiple ballots without any candidate getting the requisite delegates? there were a scenario for a deadlocked convention turning to somebody who was not a candidate for the presidential means, paul ryan is a name that would be at the top of the list for a lot of republican insiders, and a logical name in a lot of ways. howbig question is plausible a scenario that is. wouldsly, a lot of people rise up and revolt, if the convention was to turn to somebody not in the presidential

race, did not run any primaries, did not run. certainly, cruz and trump supporters would be angry about that. none of us know how possible that scenario actually is. pauline himself said it would not happen, and the nomination should go to someone running in the race. but of course, he have to say that under any circumstances. if you can imagine that happening, you can imagine paul ryan being the one republicans turn to. leah, rosenberg, texas. caller: my question is this. , heard before in the program somebody said if he does not vote for bernie, they will vote for trump. do you know why the young people

will do that? bernie promises everything for me. -- free. donald trump, we are going to make everybody rich. young people like that. answer everybody should know. the other question is this. i am tired of hearing people, on television saying hillary is a liar. that the woman ever said. one thing where she is not trustable. i am 76 years old. i have followed this woman. i do not recall her ever flying -- lying. please tell me where she lies and where she is not honest. host: